Comments on: Beginning 2011http://www.normanralph.com/2011/01/06/beginning-2011/ Musings, News and AchievementsWed, 10 Aug 2011 17:46:48 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1By: Normhttp://www.normanralph.com/2011/01/06/beginning-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-1050 NormThu, 06 Jan 2011 18:59:34 +0000http://www.normanralph.com/?p=950#comment-1050Well the Humanist funerals and baby naming ceremonies are a whole other kettle of fish. I don't think we need them. They are born out of the non-religious desire to get in the act. Which is something I don't necessarily think we should be doing. New Year is such a pointless celebration and pointless celebrations annoy me. Why do we have to assign arbitrary reasons for celebrations? Why can't we just celebrate? I think parties and celebrations are very different things. Parties are gatherings of people in a social or quasi-social environment. Celebrations (which tend to take the form of parties, but not exclusively so) require a reason, a 'thing' to celebrate. Celebrate itself means "in honour of".Well the Humanist funerals and baby naming ceremonies are a whole other kettle of fish. I don’t think we need them. They are born out of the non-religious desire to get in the act. Which is something I don’t necessarily think we should be doing.

New Year is such a pointless celebration and pointless celebrations annoy me. Why do we have to assign arbitrary reasons for celebrations? Why can’t we just celebrate?

I think parties and celebrations are very different things. Parties are gatherings of people in a social or quasi-social environment. Celebrations (which tend to take the form of parties, but not exclusively so) require a reason, a ‘thing’ to celebrate. Celebrate itself means “in honour of”.

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By: Chris Worfolkhttp://www.normanralph.com/2011/01/06/beginning-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Chris WorfolkThu, 06 Jan 2011 14:33:03 +0000http://www.normanralph.com/?p=950#comment-1049I'm not sure opportunity is quite the right way to describe it. I don't see it as the one opportunity we have all year to have a party and so we should seize on it, it's that it's as much of a valid date to have an arbitrary celebration as any other and as a society, this is the arbitrary date that we have chosen (not that we don't hold parties all year round and then find some kind of post hoc reason that we hold them). To extend this idea, you could also argue that it's human made ritual (or to be more accurate "only acknowledged as human made" as all rituals are human made there being no god and all) that we celebrate New Year, which is arguably just as important to the non-religious - otherwise what exactly are we doing with Humanist funerals and baby naming ceremonies.I’m not sure opportunity is quite the right way to describe it.

I don’t see it as the one opportunity we have all year to have a party and so we should seize on it, it’s that it’s as much of a valid date to have an arbitrary celebration as any other and as a society, this is the arbitrary date that we have chosen (not that we don’t hold parties all year round and then find some kind of post hoc reason that we hold them).

To extend this idea, you could also argue that it’s human made ritual (or to be more accurate “only acknowledged as human made” as all rituals are human made there being no god and all) that we celebrate New Year, which is arguably just as important to the non-religious – otherwise what exactly are we doing with Humanist funerals and baby naming ceremonies.

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